Introducing “Drennen Martin Scrivner”

Drennen Martin Scrivner was born  November 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM


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Drennen weighs 6 lbs 13 ounces and is 20 inches long.    Drennen has quite a voice as he came into the world screaming at the top of his lungs.  Karla,  Jim, and Drennen are all doing well. Gram and Grandpa are doing as well as can be expected considering this is their first grandchild. Karla was only in labor for a couple of hours so all went well.  Thanks for your prayers and thoughts. God bless you all.

How Time Flies!

As I write this I am waiting in Alabama for my daughter to give birth to our first grandchild.  Today we begin our fifth year in Payson.  I think back to the beginning and it seems like only yesterday we were moving to Payson.  I remember the first lesson presented.  I called it “Back to the Future.”  This work at Payson has been both awesome and difficult.  When all is said and done the opportunities that lie before us outnumber the problems many times over.

As one looks over the congregation the number of those who have arrived since we moved to Payson is about equal to the number of those who were here originally.  To those who have died, moved, or just left for various reasons;  we miss you.  To those who are new here, we look forward with great anticipation to the future with each of you.

So much has changed and yet there is so much left to do.  A few years ago there was a commercial about an automobile.  In the commercial it was stated, “This isn’t your father’s Oldsmobile.”  In so many ways this could be said about the church in Payson.

I am  proud of the road we have traveled to this point and look forward to the miles that still lie before us. This church isn’t my church.  It doesn’t belong to any individual.  The body of Christ in Payson doesn’t belong to the elders.  This church belongs to Christ!  It is so much bigger than any of us!

Even if it isn’t realized every church has a direction it will travel.  For many churches the direction is one of stagnation, for others it is a direction looking inward.  My hope for Payson is that her direction will be one of reaching out to this community.  My hope is that she will be a church that turns this city upside down!  May our approach put Christ in the center with everything else revolving around him.

To those of you who have been here for the entirety of my ministry at Payson:

  • Thanks for willingness to grow in the Lord.  To grow spiritually requires that we be willing to change at times.  I appreciate your willingness to make the necessary changes as you have matured in Christ.
  • Thanks for your support.  One thing a preacher always needs is the support of his Spiritual family.  Thanks for standing by when we needed you.
  • Thanks for your support of the Lord’s cause.  It is easy to let personal desires get in the way of service to the Lord.  Thanks for your willingness to stand for the things of the Lord rather than personal values.
  • Thanks for your support of leadership.  Scripture teaches we owe allegiance to the elders the Holy Spirit designated in this work.  Thank you for your willingness to follow their leadership.  These are God’s men!  Pray for them, the decisions they make are not always popular but they remain those God has appointed over us.  To oppose them is to oppose God!
  • You remain the backbone of this work.  Thanks for all you continue to do!

To those who like me have come to the work at Payson in the last few years:

  • Thank you for your decision to be part of our family in Payson.  Your decision to be part of the church in Payson was one of the most important decisions you have ever made.  May it continue to mold your life in the years to come.
  • Thank you for your support and love.  There is something about the relationship between a preacher and his son or daughter in the faith that can’t be explained.  Paul had a special relationship with Timothy due to the fact he had brought him to Christ.  In so many ways I enjoy this same feeling toward you.  I look forward with anticipation to the future we undoubtedly will enjoy together.
  • Thank you for your willingness to grow and learn as we walk together in the Lord.  May you always display an attitude that is willing to walk with the Lord.  You will become the core that provides the necessary strength to do the Lord’s work in this place.

To those who aren’t part of the church in Payson but share in our good times through the reading of this blog:

  • Thank you for your interest in the Lord’s work.  May your  interest always be seeing the Lord’s work done.
  • Please keep us in your prayers.  The battle at Payson, like the battle where you reside, is real.  It is a struggle about control.  Will we follow God or our individual direction?  Don’t forget to pray.
  • Remember the reunion.  One day there won’t be a family in Payson and one in Alabama, Washington, or Maine.  One day we will all be together.  Praise God for that day!!

Wow! I’m Gonna be a Grandpa!

When Robbi and I received the word that we were going to be grandparents we were excited.  Then we learned we were going to be grandparents twice!  Both our children were expecting children.  My immediate thoughts were, “This is awesome!!”  Now Karla’s time has come.  The doctors have told her that if she hasn’t had the baby by Sunday they will induce labor.  As a result of this we will be heading to Alabama the last part of this week.  Please pray for us as we travel, Karla as she delivers her first, and the young preacher she is bringing into this world!

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Holy Spirit (conclusion)

This post is a conclusion of what I have  taught in the past few months concerning the Holy Spirit.  This study is by no means an end all in this important Study.  My hope is that you will use this as a beginning in finding God’s truths in regard to His Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is given as a gift from God for all believers.  As He indwells us He plays a role that is unique within the Godhead.  The responsibilities of the Spirit are basically two-fold.  He is given to allow us growth in our likeness of Christ.  As we mature as Christians the fruit of the Spirit becomes more prominent in our lives.  The Spirit also gifts individual Christians so that the local church may be built up.  This helps both Christians and churches to bear fruit for the Lord.  Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 12-14 that Christians ought to seek gifts that build up the church.  The work and gifts of the Spirit  continue until the return of Jesus.

Without the Spirit we would become a sterile church.  1 Thessalonians 5:19 says we ought not quench the Spirit.  This requires that we as Christians  realize God is still operating in the lives of men today. The work of the Holy Spirit has not stopped. Let me state a couple of examples that will bring this point into clear focus:

  • When we pray we are asking God to directly intervene in the lives of mankind. Our hope is that God will change the course of things that would otherwise occur.  When God answers these prayers He does so through the power of His Holy Spirit.
  • When one becomes a Christian he begins a major journey.  If  he continues to mature through Spiritual growth he becomes more like Christ in his character and life.  This transformation is performed by the work of the Holy Spirit.  Each Christian develops within themselves the fruit of the Spirit.  This falls squarely within the role of the Holy Spirit.

It is important we realize the role of the Holy Spirit is alive and well in the lives of Christians and the work of the church today.  We should not assign to the Holy Spirit a role centered in emotionalism.  At the same time we ought not limit His responsibilities because we can’t explain how He accomplishes His task.  God has given His Spirit as our helper.  We should always center our minds on the fact we are to walk by and with the Spirit.

The Other Son

We are familiar with the story shared by our Lord of what we  have come to know as the story of the prodigal son.  The part of the story we don’t talk about often has to do with the other son.  We don’t discuss this son as much.  Truth is this son is very similar to many of us today.

When the prodigal son returns we find the other son in the field working.  It is largely because of the other son’s efforts that the farm remains. The other son is the brother we would most want our daughters to marry.  We could count on the other son to take care of all obligations including our daughter.  This is just the way he was.  In spite of the good qualities of the other brother there were still problems in his life.  The primary problem was much like many in the religious world today.  This son was depending on his goodness to justify him in the father’s eyes.  He demanded justice instead of grace.  He believed he had lived good enough to count on justice. Notice his reaction when he learns of his brother’s return.  He tells the father, “I have been here slaving for you.  I have never disobeyed and you never killed the fatted calf for me or my friends.”  He didn’t want grace for the returning brother, he wanted justice.

Lets look at some things we learn from the other son:

  • Being good doesn’t make the bad go away.  The other son had a bad attitude and all the good works in the world would not solve this.  Bad attitudes and bad deeds cannot be cancelled by good works.
  • The lifestyle of the other son tends to demand justice.  The last thing we need is justice.  More than anything else in the world we need grace from the Father.
  • The life of the other son leaves no room for those who are different.  The lost do not concern those like the other son because they see them as less than they really are.  Since they can’t match the goodness of the other son they aren’t  viewed as being worth our efforts. If they want what we have let them do as we do and work to get what they need.
  • The life of the other son tends to build a separate standard of acceptability.  This was the problem with the Pharisees.  They were trusting in their own abilities to understand scripture.  Their idea was that in order to be accepted by God you must see all exactly like they saw Scripture.  Their view of Scripture had become the standard instead of Scripture being the standard.  After all they held the “correct view”.
  • The life of the other son allowed no room for humility.  His whole life was built around the concept of complete and perfect understanding and actions.  He would never been able to get his head around the concepts taught in James 4:10.
  • The other son’s lifestyle developed a different attitude from the attitude of the father.  The father was looking to restore fellowship with His son.  He wants to bring everyone under His roof.  The other son was looking for a reason to exclude the returning brother.  The father wanted to draw as many as possible into His circle while the son who was seeking to be justified by works was looking for a reason to keep those who were different out of his circle.  The father and the other son held a very different attitude about who belonged in the circle of fellowship.

There are a number of other conclusions that could be drawn from this story.  These are enough for us to understand that we don’t talk so much about the other son because he makes us uncomfortable.  This other son often times is much like those of us who seek God today.  Think on these things.

Friends

aaafamilyYou can never have enough good friends.  The older you get the more important friends become because there is less time to make new ones.  We remember friends we have had in the past, friends from high school, college and early life.  We have many friends through life but few we consider really good friends.

I think about friends like Jonathan and David.  According to Scripture these friends were closer than brothers.  How many of us have been blessed with these type friends?

My dad used to tell me, “When times are hard you still have the same friends you had in the past it is just now you know who they are.”  Paul found himself in this situation in 2 Timothy chapter 4.  Paul was facing trials.  He didn’t know if he would live or die.  Paul’s friends had deserted him.  The only one with him was Luke.  Can you imagine Paul facing these difficult times without the help of those he had influenced for Christ?

Why do friends forsake us?  It is hard to understand.  Sometimes men feel inadequate.  They don’t feel capable of helping friends who have real needs.  Maybe this was the case with Paul. Perhaps his friends  didn’t feel competent to help Paul when he needed them. Occasionally we find men and women who don’t want to be identified with friends in crises.  They don’t want to be associated with the problems that go with difficulties.  Often this kind of friend just walks away.  At other times friends are simply selfish.  They don’t want to invest the time it takes to maintain the relationship.  To justify their walking away,  they judge us as individuals.  This settles the matter in their mind.  It provides justification for their abandoning friends in times of need.  It could have been for any of these reasons or a multitude of others, regardless Paul found himself with few friends in a time when he was in real need.

Beginning in 2 Timothy 4:16 Paul says, “At my first defense, no one came to my support, but everyone deserted me.  May in not be held against them.  But the Lord stood at my side and gave me strength, so that through me the message might be fully proclaimed and all the Gentiles might hear it.  And I was delivered from the lion’s mouth.  The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom to Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

Paul understood from personal experience that friends on earth will desert and leave in hard times.  Paul had learned these truths about God:

  • God will stand by us regardless.
  • God will strengthen us in difficult times.
  • God will always deliver us.  Sometimes He delivers us from the hardship.  Sometimes He delivers us through the hardship.  Sometimes He delivers us by the hardship, but He always delivers us.

We have been taught that Jesus died that we might go to heaven.  This is true but it isn’t the only purpose for Jesus death.  The sin payment was made that we might be reconciled to God.  This means that Jesus also died in order that we might enjoy relationship with God.  With Jesus death we could be a friend of God again.  We may have many friends in this life, but we can never have a friend as wonderful as God.  What is your relationship with God today?

Annual Clothing Give-Away

OCT242009_0069Today was our 4th annual clothing give-away.  This is an outreach program of the Payson church of Christ.  This effort has grown each year.  This year we were blessed with the opportunity to help more than 300 people.  This included almost 100 families.  Out of these helped we had 20 who indicated they were looking for a church home and wanted a visit. We also had one individual who was a member of the church and wished to begin worshipping with us.

In this program we give winter clothing and coats to people in the community.  This gives us an opportunity to do good in the community while preaching Jesus to a world who needs to hear.

Chosen/Called by God

When Ananias was told Saul would be coming to him he was afraid.  His response was one grounded in the uncertain.  Ananias stated that he had heard the evil things Saul had done.  Ananias was reassured that Saul was a chosen vessel.  God chose Saul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.  Before Saul knew God’s intent God already knew the ending.  While Saul was burying himself in Pharisaism God was preparing Saul to preach Jesus.

Does God choose men today to do his work on earth?  Ephesians 2:10 says, “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”   Is it safe to say that before the world was formed that God had already chosen those who would do His works?

In the past I have taught that God does not call certain individuals to preach the Gospel.  My reasoning was that since we were all a royal priesthood that all Christians had the ability and responsibility to preach Jesus.  Really a preacher was just like anyone else.  He had simply decided to preach.  I hope the Lord lets me live long enough to correct some of the mistaken concepts I have taught.

If God has prepared in advance the works that we are to do then He knows in advance the ones who will do the works.  Before the world began God knew those who would be chosen.  By His Spirit He has given us gifts  necessary to match the responsibilities he would set before us.  All talents and abilities we possess are given to us by God.  If you are an accountant your ability comes from God.  If you have the gift of encouragement it is because God has instilled that gift within you.

According to Acts 20:28 it is the Holy Spirit that makes certain men overseers of the flock.  If the Holy Spirit chooses elders does  He also choose the men who will become preachers? Obviously, some have the gift to preach while others do not. Where do preachers get the ability to do God’s bidding?  Is it not from God Himself?  Many who have the gift refuse to use it.  This doesn’t change the fact that God has chosen and gifted certain ones for the task. Certain men are made elders by the work of the Holy Spirit.  Other men are chosen by God to preach Jesus.  Whether you are called to be an elder or a preacher of the Gospel God has chosen you to be his representative.  You have been chosen to do an awesome work!  As you live your life remember who and what you are.  You are God’s man chosen to do the most important work in the world.  You have been called by God Himself,  live  your life accordingly!

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Self-Control

Life isn’t always fair.  Have you ever been in a situation in which you believed you were treated unjustly?  Did the circumstances cause you to lose control?  If you did lose control did it help?

Self-control matters even when life isn’t fair.  There are many events that take place that aren’t right.  Why do individuals lose their health in what ought to be considered the prime of life?  Perhaps you know someone who has lost their job through absolutely no fault of their own.  These situations are not fair.  Life isn’t fair but it isn’t a justification for losing self-control.

Why is it necessary we establish self-control?

  • Lack of self-control is a sin before God.  Consider the horrible sins listed in 2 Timothy 3:1-3.  Lack of self-control is listed among these sins considered by most as extreme.
  • God commands we maintain self-control.  Some seem to pride themselves in losing self-control.  Occasionally we see someone use the loss of self-control as a bullying technique to get their way.  How sad!  This goes against the commands of God.
  • Self-control is essential in order we maintain our influence.  It is worth noting that elders are to be men who have self-control. This trait is essential for those who are seeking to follow in the footsteps of Jesus.

How do we maintain self-control?

  • Humble yourself.  Scripture tells us if we humble ourselves God will lift us up.  When we realize we aren’t always correct in our thoughts we are walking in a direction that will bring self-control to our lives.  The sooner we realize that without God’s help we are nothing the sooner we begin to control our lives.
  • Allow the Holy Spirit to mold you.  If we examine the fruit of the Spirit listed in Galatians 5:22-23 we will find that self-control is in this listing.  At times we fear the thought of the Spirit.  In reality the Spirit is God.  The Holy Spirit is a gift from heaven.  Rather than fearing the Holy Spirit let us embrace Him as He dwells in us.
  • Realize God is bigger than you.  Sometimes we have an attitude that says, “It is my way or the highway.”  It is important that we obtain the proper prospective of life.  We are not here to be served but to serve.  It isn’t about me getting what I want.  It is about my bringing glory and honor to God.
  • Self-control demands putting it in God’s hands.  How easy it is to depend on self.  Scripture says, “Trust God and lean not on your own understanding.”  Maintaining self-control requires putting our trust in God. This goes against the humanity in all of us.

Self-control isn’t about fairness.  Self-control is about humility and understanding our place and purpose in life.  It really isn’t about me and what is fair.  It has always been about trusting God to work through us as we establish  relationship with Him.  It is essential we maintain self-control as we walk with the Spirit and not by the flesh.

The Holy Spirit (Part Eight)

1 Corinthians 14:26 specifically tells us that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to build up the church.  Different groups emphasize different gifts of the Holy Spirit.  Our fellowship emphasizes the gift of Scripture.  In the mind of some the role of Scripture has replaced the Holy Spirit as God’s mode of operation.  A primary source of this confusion is the result of a mistaken view of 1 Corinthians chapter 13.  I grew up being taught that the gist of this chapter concerns the idea that most spiritual gifts ended with the  assimilation of the written Word.  We have developed doctrine and an entire direction around this view of 1 Corinthians 13.  If you grew up as I did you were taught that gifts of the Holy Spirit could only be given by the laying on of the apostles hands.  When the apostles died and all those they had laid their hands on died most gifts of the Spirit ceased to exist.  This would have been a few years after the last New Testament book was written.  Thus the idea that when the perfect (Scripture) came the gifts of the Holy Spirit were no longer available.  This was necessarily inferred by our excellent line of human reasoning.

There are more than a few problems with the doctrine we have built around this view of 1 Corinthians 13.  The primary thrust of 1 Corinthians 12-14 deals with the misunderstanding  the Corinthian church had with the gifts of the Spirit.  The Corinthians mistakenly believed that the gifts made you a superior Christian.  The gifts of the Spirit did not show the superiority of individual Christians but rather show the goodness of God.  The gifts given to the Corinthian Christian were not for the benefit of the individual but the benefit of the church.  It is in this context that Paul discusses the gifts of the Spirit.  Paul ends chapter 12 by telling them to eagerly desire the greater gifts but he continues by telling them that he would show them a more excellent way.

Scripture is a tremendously important gift given to man by the Holy Spirit.  However, that described in chapter 13 as the perfect is not the written word.  Allow me to outline just a few of the difficulties this interpretation poses.  Initially,  if the written word is what has previously been described we have a time problem.  By conservative estimates all apostles and those with whom they had personal contact had died by 160 AD.  New Testament Scripture  wasn’t assembled as we know it until the late 4th or early 5th century.  This would mean for a space of several hundred years God could not have operated in the lives of men by means of the Holy Spirit or by Scripture.  If the previously mentioned doctrinal view is correct there would have been a disconnect in the operation of God in the lives of men for several hundred years.  I do not believe this happened and neither do most you.

Paul says chapter 13 we can now only see a poor reflection as in a mirror  but when the perfect comes we will see face to face. He continues by stating that now we know in part:  but then we shall know fully even as we are fully known.  If the perfect refers to the written word  Paul saw a poor reflection but we see face to face.  If the perfect refers to the written word Paul knew in part but today we know fully even as we are fully known.  If that which is perfect is the written word then our knowledge of God is superior to that of Paul.  I am not willing to claim knowledge of God that is greater and deeper than the knowledge of God held by Paul!

A more reasonable definition of the perfect would be the Christ.  Consider these Scriptures:  Revelation 1:7 says, “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him.”  When will we see perfection face to face.  Is it remotely possible that it will be when every eye sees him?  1 John 3:2 says, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known.  But we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”  Where have we heard this thought?  When I was a child I acted like a child when I became a man I put away these childish things.  When will we be mature enough to put away the incomplete?  The answer is when we become like Him!  When He appears!  At the appearing of Christ we shall know as we are fully known because we will be like Him.

Why does this matter?  The very heart of much of the direction of our fellowship is built on the idea that since we have the written word God  operates only through this word implying  other Spiritual gifts have ceased.  We have made this an either-or-argument.  The correct argument is both.  God operates through Scripture but He continues to operate through other gifts of the Spirit as well.

Let me pose these questions for your consideration:

  • Has God limited His role in the lives of mankind to one gift of the Holy Spirit, that being the gift of the written word?
  • When we pray what role does the gift of the written word have in bringing about the answer to our prayers? Is written Scripture the power that brings about our answer?
  • God said that the gifts of the Holy Spirit were to build up the church.  Does the church still need to be built up today?
  • Does the Holy Spirit still occupy His role as the earnest and deposit of our salvation?
  • If God has limited the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the written word, how does He fulfill His role as earnest and deposit of our salvation?

Thanks for your interest and thoughts, there will be more to come.